How would you feel if Warpcast replaced likes (the heart icon) with reddit / HN style upvote and added a downvote on every cast? 1 - strongly against this, would stop using the app 10 - hell yes, would greatly improve the experience
7 Both have their pros and cons, but I would like an opportunity for people to filter shit posts
7 — Nay: it could discourage people to post, Yay: it would be a social filtering system on quality posts.
10. But I'm an old digg/reddit member 😄. I want to proactively be able to bury terrible casts.
5? i don't think i'd stop using the app because of this, but it would be a behavior change i'd have to get used to i think of warpcast as "if subreddits had twitter's format" might need a different client that mimicked reddit's UI/UX more for me to get used to upvote/downvote
1 if anyone can downvote. People react asymmetrically to positive vs negative feedback. One bad experience getting a bunch of downvotes and that person will be unlikely to post again.
2-3 IMO upvote-downvote mechanic leads to more groupthink and dogpiling on contrary opinions Downvotes create a negative feedback loop, prime people to pre-dislike the comment, and feel righteous indignation to dunk Can happen with "like" mechanic but less pronounced, more likely to just see lack of engagement
9…people rarely use downvoting so it’s a strong signal. Plus sad or upsetting content is often very relevant but people feel less inclined to like/heart it.
10. Why ? I see Farcaster as a platform for information sharing, etc. With up and downvotes you can give and receive instant feedback which will add tot he quality of information imo.
against but wouldn't stop using. i think the switch would make it seem like fc is competing with reddit vs. twitter. forums vibe is less serious
Fk yes, if premium users could decide what they want as their like emoji on their cast would be fun
8, will this be a Warpcast feature or a hub change? 10 If it is hub-level. Can greatly improve the dev experience by filtering out spam/low quality casts
20, it's a good start, but doesn't go far enough. Ideally you'd be able to label content with any emoji you want, or at least a large set of standard emoji. Things like funny, shitty, brilliant, deceptive, etc. Similar to how Slack/Discord do it. Then people can use their own client-side scoring to determine value.
5 Having a way to signal negativity towards a cast is a good idea but not sure if I'd use the up/down UX for this client.
3. {Up,down} votes make more sense to me in local social context where there is shared interest/vibe; as with subreddits. Even with Channels, interacting on Warpcast still feels ‘global’
6. A system like HN seems fair: by default you can’t downvote until you have some karma. I like a lot on Farcaster and don’t know if a different system will make me change my behaviour.
I'd be more in favour of wider set of reactions that don't sum up (fb-style, like "love", "laugh", "angry") vs a single dimension. A richer set of reactions help me actually react even in cases where I would not have replied, while up/down votes usually become a battlefield.
3, but only because the community is not attuned to large-than-love binary feedback. i can appreciate the occasional shitpost, and feeling pressured to rate it goes against being culturally neutral.
2 I think upvotes are basically just likes and downvotes are more often used to pile on to things a community disagrees with, troll style. Its actually one of the worst features of Reddit imo
8 I've always preferred Reddit's voting system over Twitter's likes. It would only work if you could sort by "hot" just like on Reddit. The algorithm should be as thin and transparent as possible.
How would this work with the protocol? How are downvotes handled?
Slack-style emoji reactions would be way more interesting. Bonus points if I can react with an NFT I own.
3. Behavioral change that feels forced, never used Reddit. Also I don’t really know what’s the case when I downvote something.
Idk about this. I can see it having usefulness if channels start behaving like subreddits, but I think for every single random thought that gets casted it’s too much noise. What do I downvote?
I’d likely not use the up/down vote like use likes. Maybe parent cast be simple like and all replies are up/down votes?
2. this might be something another client can do effectively. perhaps a reddit-like client that focuses on channels. i want warpcast to have the same flow as twitter has, its proven to be an intuitive one.
2. Even with my Reddit background, would rather leave the downvote in the past. Appreciate the diversity of opinions the “like only” approach provides.
it's a different thing. keep casts simple. Then, enable a dedicated post format for this type of contents, similar to a poll, inviting readers to respond ⬆⬇
prefer Warpcast having its own identity e.g. how would the GM reactions work with something like this? Agree with jacob on adding slack type emojis instead of copying reddit
3 up/downvote only matters as net and they end up obfuscating it so may as well just have positive only rxns anyway +10 on reacting with NFTs
2.5 - I understand the intent, but think there’s a large risk of external and internal brigading since the core community is still so small right now. Anecdotally, there’s a specific energy that comes from downvoters and it seems like it’s rarely for anti-spam purposes
4 - while I use both HN and Reddit, I don't like the negative effect/behaviour of down voting.
~3 Could see this discouraging even remotely contrarian casts. Plus, not liking something is already a de facto passive downvote
If we want up and down I’d rather give a ❤️ or a 💩
invent something that is native to your medium — I like @jacob's idea about NFT responses, especially if it encourages designing NFTs that work at 16px size. Maybe you can react with another kind of microtransaction?
3 - don't really see the value-add for downvotes but the NFT reactions idea sounds fun
probably 1. I like the current culture in which someone comments if they disagree or agree strongly, like if they agree, and ignore it if they feel neutral. Warpcast algo is much better than reddits already
3 I don't mind having the downvote option in the Farcaster's algo, but I would rather keep Warpcast with likes (upvotes) only. Some other farcaster clients can do up/downvotes instead.
+1 to emoji reactions up/down vote is too binary and lacks emotional weight IMO emoji responses give a clearer sense of how people react to your content
I think I'd rather have classifiers like the old slashdot model. Downvotes like reddit get used mostly by grumpy a-holes with nothing better to do.
Depends on how it factors into the algo. Eg in my experience tech DEI stuff often gets downvoted to hell off the front page of HN so you never see it. But I would love to see stuff my follows are upvoting and downvoting passionately.
1.5, I wouldn't stop using but I don't like this at all.
2.5 The world needs more ways to upvote, fewer ways to downvote. If you wanna go wild, add arbitrary emoji reactions like discord/etc. :P Imagine being able to define your own scoring for each emoji (I want to see fewer 😡 and more 🤯)
5 – Would be an interesting experiment, but could decrease more meaningful engagement (comments) imo. Few ideas to curb the downvote brigade: - Require comment on downvote - Require a tiny tx fee - Give the option to downvote but don't show it to the caster/other users (purely an algo/signal gathering play)
do we have some other options or heart with different colour?
3-4. Downvote button gets weaponized too often (see Baby music video). Best just to not have one I think
3 for main view ...but It could be an optional settings feature per channel if the channel theme matches better with up & downvotes
2 Solving for different problems, no? One general engagement, the other ranking content.
10 - yes please. Downvoting makes both HN and Reddit so much better.
I really want this experience, doing it like reddit/hn with ghost removing may be better than just showing downvotes
8 for me, but I imagine that some people would probably take downvoting very personally and post less
I love the idea to be able to downvote. Especially on comments. 👏 Ideally the Warpcast algo takes into account not just the number of upvotes/downvotes but who are they relatively to me (e.g. if I follow them or not).
10 🥳 I love the idea to be able to downvote. Especially on comments. Ideally the Warpcast algo takes into account not just the number of upvotes/downvotes but who are they relatively to me (e.g. if I follow them or not).
1- down votes while good could also create an ecochamber. Imagine in channel someone posting something critical or sharing a thought which goes against the common consensus. Seen it on reddit and would recommend not doing it.
3. I prefer the current approach of only Like/heart icon.
I did some mocks on this a while back for jam. I was planning to go in the direction of upvotes only, and giving users bundles of votes that they earned through engagement or could purchase
I agree with the new options, but not in the style of other social media With a farcaster culture
3... wouldn't stop using the app per say, but I think it's a bad idea
2- Strongly against — especially if the gm/gn/⌐◨-◨ disappears. Don’t see the need for a change.
1. downvotes are bad as well as (hot take) showing following count. When you have the ability for users to analyze ratios, it adds to a disincentivized ux. YT got rid of downvotes and don't show "subscribed to" count, bolstering reach.
5. The Number of Apps that changed this back and forth is astonishing. But definitely single like as Heart is more popular.
What will spark more conversation instead of simply reactions? What would encourage or hinder and why?
I think it’s worth testing also anon up and downvoting is fun bigger question is how scores/number of votes affect distribution
2-ish. I like how channels are going, but I still prefer a Twitter like experience, not looking for a new Reddit.
I would never downvote someone - if it was offensive or I disagreed I’d mute or ignore. Similarly, my reaction to anyone slinging a binary take down of my ideas would be to dismiss their intelligence b/c it’s giving get a life incel. so yea I see no upside and a lot to lose about whatever makes this place good!
9 - up/down votes could capture stronger intent than 'likes'/'hearts'. the echo chamber problem of downvotes can be solved using pagerank like algos over time.
5 This isn't what makes the app. Don't think it would change much
1 n i would still use warpcast because of the people x collective intelligence shared in the channels i'm interested too a mechanic of up/ boosting vote. a caster would be able to boost 5 casts per day along w/ the algo. another way to highlight the hidden gem/ casts people want to share more in general/ trending, etc
@survey should Warpcast experiment with new reactions outside of likes?
1 from me. Downvotes would just encourage brigading and emphasize negativity. Better to just allow people to show support or ignore.
I think the downvote system has flaws. I highly prefer Discord/Telegram system with emojis.
Not a fan of a downvote icon, plus would rather a smiley face or something else positive instead of a heart. I feel like I’m “loving” something, and not merely liking it with a heart.
It would change the vibe from friendly and cooperative to adversarial and judgey I’m for experimentation but warpcast is its own thing, Reddit happened already
I think we should keep likes but having some private version of “show me less of this” to train the algorithm as user volume increases would be great (maybe a swipe mechanic to hide a cast in feed or something) but shouldn’t influence other casters feeds unless a cast is overwhelmingly hidden
Are you trying to solve for karma (the community rewarding a post for effort/quality, at the risk of contrarian opinions getting downvoted to hell); or for personal filtering (I want to see more/less of this)? I assume it’s the former, but I’m not satisfied with follows being the only mechanism for the latter.
2. Wouldn’t stop using the app but “downvote” “upvote” and those arrow icons have bad, HN/reddit neckbeard vibes Keep it simple
2-3, generally not as active participating in communities that have downvote features (usually end up lurking instead)
isn’t the like button already handling this? more likes = upvotes 0 or few like= downvote
2.5 (aking to @cameron's remark) If the design prob is flipping Boolean like(🤍♥️) to a more expressive scalar (inc. -negative)...another ex. from the wild that is only positive (thereby mitigating -negativity problems) was Mediums "hold the heart down". Single click: 0..1 (boolean) Hold 0..n
10. Upvotes make Reddit functional. It would differentiate Farcast from Twitter.
2/3. Hard to think of a case where downvote meaningfully improves the product - even on Reddit it seems to be abused and used to bully depending on the subreddit
As a user we tend to be happy with status quo and not be the best indicator of what we want. Off the top of my head, I’d say no, but then I do like the idea of looking at how downvotes play out in the Warpcast environment. Could end up being signalling tools for individuals and encourage new behaviour/content
since no one else answered your direct question I won’t either….but me thinks you should make the heart icon purple instead of red 💜
If this is for social environment, i prefer 🩷 and 🤣 to express my status. If this is for developers environment, then reddit style upvote ⬆️⬇️ would be a good choice.
1 I think it stifles conversation when there are downvotes. And people can get brigaded
⌐◨-◨ We def need the noggles and gm... so no.
6-8 I like the idea, but would much rather prefer dozens of different types of registered reactions (that can be explicitly useful in other protocols). a client with superficial up/down voting is worth the experiment, though.
5 It would be great if there was a weighting against downvotes, like 1 upvote = 2 downvotes or a restriction on downvotes only for accounts with x followers for y period Some way to reduce the incentive to be negative
i take any downvoting without comment as 'hate', if downvote is implemented, you have to give feedback before you can downvote, trashy comment get you blocked.
We could answer better if we knew how hearting and up down voting played a role in the algorithm.
(Point: 3) Honestly i dont like upvote. Upvote somehow make me feel boring and relate to technical site like stackoverflow, heart is more friendly
8. I assume that this would also info the algorithm of what shows up on your feed (higher upvotes show more often; higher downvotes less often)
What about a new paradigm? You only get 10 or 20 likes per day
How about Medium-style claps? It avoids the stigma and pitfalls of downvotes but still offers more nuanced responses and more data points. Also, I wonder if some sort of a jokerace plugin would work here 🤔
3 I'd say stick with the heart or go whole hog allowing arbitrary emoji reactions... anything in-between smacks of half-assed market regulation
4ish, I think downvotes tend to turn into "I disagree with this" and aren't super productive. Would prefer to see some kind of emoji based reaction system I think. (Upvote/downvote system could be implemented by clients within emoji based reactions by limmiting to arrow emojis)
Up/down has a more forum like vibe, casts and conversations that take place here isn't much of a forum tho.
What does a down vote mean? Would hot takes get downvoted more?
1, for the current style. Combining upvotes & downvotes was the first step at making Reddit worse overall. 5, if the upvote & downvote counts were separated. It immediately shows the community's reaction to such a post, & their support/disdain for it.
I don’t think upvote / downvote works with public people. You get personal attacks and gamified mob downvoting for personal reasons. Need anon or quasi anon like Reddit
10. But as metadata at the protocol level that let clients decide how to prioritize
3, against it but probably wouldn't stop me from using the app
2, Personally prefer the like only approach. Makes more intuitive sense to me as this is not really a forum, where the up votes and down votes are there to indicate to a certain extent the usefulness of the post for future readers.
may be it could be use as a option when we are create our post, some post need something like that, like a vote
I would try to invent something new... I remember that for Mamby, a social network with AI, we invented maracas because the brand strategy was linked to music. Maybe you have to look for the purpose of Warpcast/Farcaster...
I’d rather see a hybrid selector similar to LinkedIn. Sometimes I love a cast, sometimes I agree with it, sometimes I find it insightful, sometimes I dislike.
5. I go middle. Implement, have both? Or click twice upvote to get heart. Click once(upvote) to get upvote only. Either flow.
Probably a 7+ if it could train the algorithm But need to avoid clutter And it could prompt 'silent dunking' with swarms of downvotes that undermines discussion and ruins the culture
3 - I think the flat ‘non curated’ feed creates a more open culture
5. Will definitely change how people use the site, can be positive or negative. I was just thinking how to better policy the channels, some people post offtopic. The downvote would help there. Consider upvote/downvote only in channels, not in timeline. Besides that, have a bookmark option everywhere.
4 Downvote can be a strong signal, but it can also be abused by trolls. In an open and permissionless network that could wreak havoc. Emoji-style reactions with preset defaults maybe a good compromise. Plenty of interpretation left for front-end clients.
3. I'm not sure if it makes sense for casual posting. I would like the idea of upvote / downvote if the Farcaster post has an onchain vote associated with it
Depends on what Warpcaster is trying to achieve. If simple replication of dopamine triggering app then no. If attempting to build out something far more granular with deeper network effects then yes. Also depends a lot on what us plebs will tolerate/understand.
I don’t use Reddit, but that feature has always made sense to me. However, I don’t use Reddit and am addicted to Twitter so maybe there is a reason for that ha. I’ll go 5 - could work, maybe worth experimenting
10. Quality content should be sorted by members and not by algorithms
Like is not the same than upvote. I’m not sure why people don’t see this difference. Upvoting makes sense when you’re asking questions, trying to find “the best answer”. But sometimes I just want to like something on Reddit and it doesn’t mean it’s a good answer.
3. If you want variety go with an appropriate variation of LinkedIn/Facebook 's variety of choices.
4 Positive reinforcement seems to be sufficient. Down voting feels easier to abuse. You could go with the YouTube approach of having up/down but only up is visible.
7 to 8. A good change, gets more info, gives an outlet for disagreement other than dunking…
Would love to have the feature to support arguments in a polarising conversation. Long press Like/repost to have up/down votes. Making distinction among like, repost, up/down and how users perceive them very important. Observe Reddit does not have a repost feature.
These changes can bring a different atmosphere and are still an interesting idea for those who cannot express their opposition well.