Loosely held belief: the utility of cast exponentially decreases as time passes.
here's me waiting for "stories" on fc my take is a bit different: people keep coming back to my tg channel telegram.golden_borodutch and asking about posts that i wrote years ago it's different in our community chats: i've set the autodelete timer to 1 day and it doesn't seem like it hurt anyone
Due to the current clients focusing on âlatest castsâ? Lack of discovery / curation for historical-yet-valuable casts?
If somebody posts something profound, think Marcus Aurelius or Seneca level, utility is constant. But for most casts, I agree.
Agree that in aggregate the chart looks like that, but there will be occasional bumps in that graph at the individual cast level: predictions that come true, saved items referenced by someone in the future.
Another frame: if Twitter's default experience was all tweets deleted after 1 year, would that have prevented Twitter from growing? Stated preference is people want old tweets, revealed preference is they don't really matter (and often only in negative use cases). Twitter API doesn't return likes beyond the last 3200
i can't agree more and i hope the farcaster protocol will evolve into pruning old casts. it's too costly to keep the entire history of "GM frens" after N years. maybe if someone really want to keep a cast, can pay a fee to make it permanent.
The good ones will be perlâd so imo deleting makes sense!
Only major exception I can think of is when tweets are embedded in articles, blog posts, etc. in such a way in which theyâre a key piece of that part of the article itself. By referencing an expiring tweet/cast, the author would implicitly give their post an expiration date.
An unsure push.. Would this not be broken down by % of type of user? Where high value contributors to network may have less depreciation over time (fat tail-ish). Imagine what piece of the pie is left to make it a worthwhile trade-off.
I think that's true of 99.9% of casts, and then 0.01% are treasures to keep because of the conversation (like a good recipe, it's value maintains over time). It feels ok to not optimize for those 0.01% though, as they can be curated in third party tools.
I think having proof you said X on Y date is needed to build credibility for forecasts/predictions/investment analysis over time. The vast majority of content though is definitely less useful over time.
i've deleted my tweet history 5-6 times since i've had an account but i think i would actually really miss my first "just setting up my farcaster" cast if it were to be deleted generally yeah, casts and tweets my lose utility as time increases (somehow not true with blog posts?) - but still nice to have the record
Yes, and that is just one dimension of utility. There is also value in the aggregate, temporal order, interrelationships, amongst many others. These other dims are just less explored/recognised.
There is utility in having permanence for evergreen small bits of text, e.g. predictions, statements that can be anchored in time. I like permalinks. That said, a protocol for ephemeral messages is also useful. I think it's best to not try to do both. Explicit ephemerality can be a feature.
Bonus: auto deleting after a year makes it hard for people to dig up out of context casts. Double bonus, turn cheaper hosting costs into a money making feature: make it so people can pay to mint banger casts/screenshot essays that should be preserved for all time.
Agreed - some people refer to own or others old tweets but not important enough to affect overall usages (Also a few friends actively delete old tweets - can be more harmful than useful)
discovery is not there yet for such fluid merge of the past and the present. but past casts, if woven together in context with recent casts, can enrich the points being made from the recent casts. e.g. http://bit.ly/perl_ace
Is the asymptote the same for all casts? Or do they all trend to 0?
Some tweets end up with substantially negative utility when they age
Give an option to mint an nft of the cast? If it is in fact memorable, give folks a away to collect it.
Charge ppl to âmintâ casts into permanence.
on average yes but it's complicated maybe 6 months history is perfect for purple app but what if red app wants 7 days and green app wants 10 years who's right? maybe it doesn't matter if casts, interactions, and timelines signed, could be stored and served from anywhere +1 if timeframe not hardcoded in protocol
What if someone forks Hub code to preserve everything and then modifies cast contents when no other Hub offers that cast (not sure if thatâs possible). But without canonical cast could we prove them as malicious or not.
Last thought for now. I love(d) scrolling thru microfilm in the library back in the day, following along with stories week by week. I think there may be a historic significance take on some form of preservation, even if you canât access in app. Some deep deep cold storage you could pay to unearth?
Was thinking this re: is the value of fc in the density of signal in early adopter communities Would love hear from those there at this stage in birdapps lifecycle
Strong case for casts being ephemeral, i.e., they self disappear every new month. Moreover, the acceptable set of things to say evolves every year. Hence, people should not be judged on things they said years ago based on the present set of rules.
This is the same principle why the second brain stuff doesn't really have value outside of super niche use cases
the culture of casts is intentional and thoughtful. People screenshot essays, etc. I worry users wouldn't put the same effort in if they knew their writing was not memorialized for a longer period of time. good case study = Instagram - stories vs posts. One ephemeral, one permanent. How are they used differently?
I think youâre right but I think this is a consequence of how social feeds are designed, and doesnât *have* to be true. Thereâs a ton of value in bookmarking tweets, annotating them, tying them together with additional context over time. But who does that? The tools for those kinds of workflows donât really ex
To me itâs more of a signal to noise thing â great content is being created in the moment, but it gets lost in time and general chatter. What I want is some quality filter to remove the cruft in the moment (a lot has zero utility a t =0), and then good search to dig up insights from the past.
I tend to agree, I have an impulse to wiping my bird app profile but every time I open my archive I find gems that capture moments in time.
I would be pretty bummed if I couldnât access my old tweets. I use Twitter a bit like I do GitHub - I expect the data to stick around for a long while, and sometimes need to reference old things.
also think this is a data problem. storage + compute will continue to become so cheap that it would be nonsensical to not maintain 100% data availability
Itâs definitely true of most, but some emerge as particularly important over time, and itâs not always easy to predict which those will be.
i'm probably more nostalgic than the average person, but i like the idea of a way-back-machine where in 10 years i could enter "oct 23rd, 2022" and explore the state + early excitement on the farcaster network. i guess an archive client could achieve this permissionlessly, but they'd have to foot the bill.