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Vitalik Buterin@vbuterin
12/21/2022

Mini-thread: against the "One Commandment" Balaji's The Network State (see my review https://vitalik.ca/general/2022/07/13/networkstates.html ) has a concept called "the one commandment": a new startup society should have one key moral value that differs from the outside world. I argue that this is wrong.

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Vitalik Buterin@vbuterin
12/21/2022

Instead, any realistic new community is going to have a complicated jumble of various legible and illegible values (and "vibes") that appeals to a particular group of people. And this is the *only* realistic way to define a new (or existing) community.

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Homocryptus @homocryptus
12/21/2022

I would say startups with 1 morale, move faster but fail faster too while startups with 3+ morales survive longer and pivot smarter 🤝

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12/21/2022

Is there a world where you are both correct? That the network state does have one key moral value, but over time and with size that value is reinterpreted within the state many times over

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12/21/2022

Agreed, this was one of the few points I found less convincing. It’s one way comparing NSs to startups is an oversimplification. I (& @balajis) respect Coinbase’s “let’s not talk about external politics, instead focus on our mission at work” policy but you can’t tell citizens of your country to ignore “external

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balajis@balajis
12/21/2022

Good thread. TLDR: one commandment is an oversimplification, but a useful oversimplification. One way to think about it: when you pitch your community to a new recruit, how do you describe it? Culdesac: car-free Kift: van life Praxis: vitalist Note what this is *not*. It's not an economic pitch. It's a values pitch.

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Dinesh Raju@dineshraju
12/21/2022

>I argue this is wrong Not sure "wrong" is a useful frame here. Feels like you both just approach the idea from different perspectives. him: absolutes, structure, convex you: nuance, essence, concave IMHO both are needed. Former for the idea to captivate & spread. Latter for the idea to actually get implemented.

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hillis@hillis
12/21/2022

At Cabin, we've generally agreed that "One Commandment" is one of the practically worst (yet still directionally useful) parts of Balaji's Network State framework. We prefer Three Suggestions—Conserve, Colive, Create—but even these aren't written in stone or definitive representations of our community.

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12/21/2022

@perl balaji vitalik

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Tarun Chitra@pinged
12/21/2022

Really enjoyed the post and (to me at least) this was the first time I’d seen someone lay out the “limitations to exitocracy” in a simple manner — feels like there’s a good philosophy paper hidden in that concept that should be written

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Emmett@edbs
12/21/2022

The difference between a city and an intentional community. Praxis is aiming to be a giant intentional community w all that entails, not a city.

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Alex Kwon@ace
12/21/2022

@perl #wokecasts #balaji #vitalik 🔥

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Homocryptus @homocryptus
12/21/2022

@perl #debates

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Alex Valaitis@alexvalaitis
12/21/2022

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dylsteck.eth@dylsteck
12/21/2022

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Deniz 🧿@deniz
12/21/2022

@perl Network states

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grin more@grin
12/21/2022

@perl #networkstate

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Dankrad Feist@dankrad
12/21/2022

Interesting examples. What's the deeper reason if there is one? I would guess many of us find communities built around a single principle somewhat repelling, which may be a protective mechanism to stop us from joining dangerous cults?

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12/22/2022

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Darryl Yeo 🛠️ ETHDenver@darrylyeo
12/22/2022

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Daniel Lombraña@teleyinex
12/22/2022

@perl network state

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agoston nagy@stc
12/22/2022

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lorepunk@lorepunk
12/22/2022

The point about global negative externalities is a crucial one. We want future generations to have a beautiful whole world (and solar system!) to live in, not a scattered handful of enclaves!

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Rahul Matthan@matthan
12/22/2022

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Jason Goldberg @betashop
12/22/2022

similar to the debate between fragile vs. anti-fragile startup focus in the last 10 years, starting super fragile apps has been mostly en-vogue (e.g. early on do things that don't scale - PG, uber launching 1 market at time, FB college students, Gas app HS) protocols however are intended to be anti-fragile, agree?